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Message started by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:01am

Title: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:01am
If answer Yes or No then why?

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:03am
He not Lao or Lao national hero. Build his statue in Vietnam, not in Laos.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by longhang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:18am
without ho chi minh would the communist party in laos exist? probably not. the lao king would probably still be in power. hmongs would have stayed in laos trying their best to over populate laos and take over someday? LOL jk

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:45am
I can't say much, obviously, but if many people outside of Laos, including those in high positions, disapprove the plan then something must be wrong.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by longhang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:51am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:45am:
I can't say much, obviously, but if many people outside of Laos, including those in high positions, disapprove the plan then something must be wrong.

without ho chi min there would be no communist in south east asia.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 13th Aug, 2010 at 3:32am
Longhang, That's true, he had many connections with the current party of Laos. A statue is only statue, I don't really care much about it, but other people will have mixed reactions towards it.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 11:38am
Lao people, especially new generation don't care about Uncle Ho and his propaganda. When they build Uncle Ho statue in Laos. Lao government should also build Laos founding father King Fa Ngum the great or King Chai Chetta statue in Vietnam. So Vietnamese people can learn more about Laos great history and our great leader. We has many great Lao leader for you to choose.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 12:16pm
Would Thai government let Laos build Chao Anouvong or King FaNgum the great memorial statue in Bangkok? And how will Thai people feel about it?

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 12:24pm
New Lao generation want better job and opportunity. They should build better school, more hospital and manufacture in Laos to creat jobs for Lao people. Not Uncle Ho propaganda statue bs.
>:(

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 13th Aug, 2010 at 3:08pm

longhang wrote on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:51am:

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 13th Aug, 2010 at 2:45am:
I can't say much, obviously, but if many people outside of Laos, including those in high positions, disapprove the plan then something must be wrong.

without ho chi min there would be no communist in south east asia.

Agreed. In the near future they'll be no more communism. WWIII might broke out between the West and Norh Korea, Iran, Russia and China.  

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by JACKSPADE on 13th Aug, 2010 at 3:40pm
It looks like Laos will sooner or later become a part of Vietnam and China from what I see.  It won't be called Laos anymore. The people have no say in it, and the government are cowardice to say NO.  Think of the Casinos built, the Chinese hired Lao people to run it, then afterward fired them all and hired only the Chinese...what's wrong with that picture?  As for the Vietnamese statue, it degrades a country as a whole even if it's just a statue.  Communist or not you don't let other countries walk over you like that.  It's a shame really.  Maybe the next step we'll be celebrating only the Vietnamese New Year and traditions.

Think of the Mekong River as well for example, it used to be natural. Do you see any changes?  Rocks being dynamited to make way for commerce, and unpredictable water flow controlled by China what's wrong with that?  Vietnam is doing exactly the same thing to put their people into place, and trying to remove all the Laotians.  It's sad but true.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 13th Aug, 2010 at 11:17pm
Lao Lan Xang, The Lao Kings you mentioned didn't have anything to do with Vietnam and Thailand, so building a statue to commemorate them in those countries wouldn't make sense.

Ho Chi Minh, on the other hand, played a role in the establishment of the Lao PDR. As a generation Y person, I am not fussy about the statue, as long as I'm not forced to worship it then I won't lose any sleep over it.



JACKSPADE, In any business, you want the best person to do the job. I've been to the Dansavanh Casino in Laos, and most of the employees are Lao people. It's interesting to read the thoughts of people regarding many things happening in Laos.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 14th Aug, 2010 at 1:26am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 13th Aug, 2010 at 11:17pm:
Lao Lan Xang, The Lao Kings you mentioned didn't have anything to do with Vietnam and Thailand, so building a statue to commemorate them in those countries wouldn't make sense.

Ho Chi Minh, on the other hand, played a role in the establishment of the Lao PDR. As a generation Y person, I am not fussy about the statue, as long as I'm not forced to worship it then I won't lose any sleep over it.



JACKSPADE, In any business, you want the best person to do the job. I've been to the Dansavanh Casino in Laos, and most of the employees are Lao people. It's interesting to read the thoughts of people regarding many things happening in Laos.


I'm just giving example about Thai and Lao king statue. Thai people will not like it if Laos build one of our great leader statue in Thailand. Lao people don't like it either that Vietnam is building Uncle Ho statue being in Laos. But Lao people has no say.

Thank you Uncle Ho for bringing poverty, Communism and culture of corruption to Laos. Under Socialism for over 30 yrs. I though Laos was to be like Singapore by now.
;)

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 14th Aug, 2010 at 3:32am
Not only will Thai people disapprove it, but there will be war between Laos and Thailand.

Maybe you should also give a big thank to your Uncle Ho for giving you a good life in the United States.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 14th Aug, 2010 at 1:30pm
I hope you are wrong. Let hope for the best for Laos and pray. I love Laos, Lao poeple and Lao culture. Not Vietnam.


OMD wrote on 13th Aug, 2010 at 3:40pm:
It looks like Laos will sooner or later become a part of Vietnam and China from what I see.  It won't be called Laos anymore. The people have no say in it, and the government are cowardice to say NO.  Think of the Casinos built, the Chinese hired Lao people to run it, then afterward fired them all and hired only the Chinese...what's wrong with that picture?  As for the Vietnamese statue, it degrades a country as a whole even if it's just a statue.  Communist or not you don't let other countries walk over you like that.  It's a shame really.  Maybe the next step we'll be celebrating only the Vietnamese New Year and traditions.

Think of the Mekong River as well for example, it used to be natural. Do you see any changes?  Rocks being dynamited to make way for commerce, and unpredictable water flow controlled by China what's wrong with that?  Vietnam is doing exactly the same thing to put their people into place, and trying to remove all the Laotians.  It's sad but true.


Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 14th Aug, 2010 at 1:41pm

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 14th Aug, 2010 at 3:32am:
Maybe you should also give a big thank to your Uncle Ho for giving you a good life in the United States.


Ah be nice administrator. I thank America for good life, good jobs and opportunity. I wish for the same for Lao people in Laos. God bless America and Laos.  
;)

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 14th Aug, 2010 at 11:41pm
I guess that means a No Thank You to your Uncle Ho.

Make the most of your life in America, you're lucky to be earning those Greenbacks.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 15th Aug, 2010 at 1:35am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 14th Aug, 2010 at 11:41pm:
I guess that means a No Thank You to your Uncle Ho.

Make the most of your life in America, you're lucky to be earning those Greenbacks.

Money, materialism doesn't make you happier, but it does make your life a little easier. When it come to money it never enough. The more you make the more you spend. We make a little bit more here, but we have lot of bills to pay too. US is one of the best country in the world to live, but like now its little tough because of economic recession about 15 million people are unemployed, good jobs are hard to come by, and US is 12 trillion dollars in debt. Doesn't matter where you live. There is good and bad.
:-?

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 15th Aug, 2010 at 8:10am
Yes, money is never enough for anyone. Even millionaires and billionaires still look for ways to make more money.

The unemployment rate in Laos is about 2.5% and the USA is a high 9.5%. Quite a big difference.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 15th Aug, 2010 at 2:50pm

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 15th Aug, 2010 at 8:10am:
Yes, money is never enough for anyone. Even millionaires and billionaires still look for ways to make more money.

The unemployment rate in Laos is about 2.5% and the USA is a high 9.5%. Quite a big difference.

Greed, money and power make the world go round.

9.5% unemployment rate and over 15 million people are out of work. That mean we Lao oversea has to move back to Laos soon to look for jobs hehe. The problem the company are sending jobs oversea, to China, Mexico or India for cheaper labors. Why pay somebody here $10 an hrs when you can pay somebody in china for $1 an hrs.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 15th Aug, 2010 at 3:00pm

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 15th Aug, 2010 at 8:10am:
Yes, money is never enough for anyone. Even millionaires and billionaires still look for ways to make more money.

The unemployment rate in Laos is about 2.5% and the USA is a high 9.5%. Quite a big difference.

It can be a big problem if you lose your jobs in America. That mean you can't make a house or car payment. You can lose everything very quickly.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 15th Aug, 2010 at 11:41pm
Exactly, the less the company pays their employees, the more profits they make.

Does the US government provide monetary support to assist the jobless?

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 16th Aug, 2010 at 1:49am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 15th Aug, 2010 at 11:41pm:
Exactly, the less the company pays their employees, the more profits they make.

Does the US government provide monetary support to assist the jobless?

Yes. If you lose a jobs. You can get unemployment check, 70% of your regular pay. Up to a year. But sometime even after a year many people still can't find work. Many become homeless. Government, company also pay for college, if company move oversea.

Its also very easy here to get education. College is everywhere. You can get loan or grant from government. Sadly some young people don't like going to school, they are too caught up with fun, partying and clubbing.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 16th Aug, 2010 at 11:39am
What about those who never had a job. I'm referring to the job seekers and lazy people who have been unemployed for long term. Do they get any government assistance?

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by macro on 16th Aug, 2010 at 1:55pm
DEFINITELY YES, Inside the tiolet bowl so every one can pXss and SXit on it, please excuse my language, just look at what he've achieved, quite incredible, he probably kill more people than Pol Pot (pol Pot kill his countrymen in one go), this guy kill people in 30 years.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 16th Aug, 2010 at 2:36pm

macro wrote on 16th Aug, 2010 at 1:55pm:
DEFINITELY YES, Inside the tiolet bowl so every one can pXss and SXit on it, please excuse my language, just look at what he've achieved, quite incredible, he probably kill more people than Pol Pot (pol Pot kill his countrymen in one go), this guy kill people in 30 years.

Uncle Ho statue in every Laos public bathroom. I like that idea hehe.
;D

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 16th Aug, 2010 at 2:42pm

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 16th Aug, 2010 at 11:39am:
What about those who never had a job. I'm referring to the job seekers and lazy people who have been unemployed for long term. Do they get any government assistance?

For those who are over 18 yrs that never work will not get assistant. They can get loan or grant for college. There are many rule and regulation. For example those who has young children under age of 18 can get assistant with housing, food, medicare, education easier.  

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Pride Administrator on 17th Aug, 2010 at 12:36am
That explains why there's a high rate of homeless in the United States, since the long term unemployed do not get any assistance.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lao Lan Xang on 17th Aug, 2010 at 2:37am

Admin Saovaluck wrote on 17th Aug, 2010 at 12:36am:
That explains why there's a high rate of homeless in the United States, since the long term unemployed do not get any assistance.


Because US also have lot of people. Population is around 300 million. There are many factor why someone might become homeless. Now some became homeless because of jobs loss. Not like Laos most of the people here don't own their own home until they pay it off in 30 yrs. Unless you have cash to pay for it. If you don't have jobs then you're out of luck. Some of the homeless people are drug addicted, some might have mental problem.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by macro on 1st Sep, 2010 at 12:51pm
The homelessness in US partly because of proverty, main reason is the deteriation of family value, you see black, white, asian sleep on the street, how often you see a hispanic homelessness, may be you think wetbacks (hispanic people) are stupid, but they help each others, not like most of us, very sel centered and selfish.
I hope Laos don't adopt the American culture, by the way, last month Swiss publish a report about the happiest nation on earth... guess who...Vanuatu, 10% of people live in city and own 90% of the country's wealth, 90% of the population live in the country and own 10%, why are they happy.. because they own their own home and do not chase the money like us.. city people.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by Lan Xang on 1st Sep, 2010 at 5:20pm
where I live I never seen Asian homeless person. Asian also have strong family culture and value. Most take care of their parent when they old.

Rich hold most of the wealth, but poor in US compare to other part of the world are well off. They have place to sleep and food to eat. Government and non profit organization also has program helping the low income.  


macro wrote on 1st Sep, 2010 at 12:51pm:
The homelessness in US partly because of proverty, main reason is the deteriation of family value, you see black, white, asian sleep on the street, how often you see a hispanic homelessness, may be you think wetbacks (hispanic people) are stupid, but they help each others, not like most of us, very sel centered and selfish.
I hope Laos don't adopt the American culture, by the way, last month Swiss publish a report about the happiest nation on earth... guess who...Vanuatu, 10% of people live in city and own 90% of the country's wealth, 90% of the population live in the country and own 10%, why are they happy.. because they own their own home and do not chase the money like us.. city people.


Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by casey69 on 27th Sep, 2010 at 4:31am
I don't know enough about situation in Laos to vote but...

Since I am learning much about my native land from listening to you all, I will tell you a little about life in America since I am here.  First, in my case, I am very fortunate in that I have a wonderful husband who is a lawyer and we have a very good life. We live in a big house in the country and our 4 boys (tall and athletic like their father) attend an all-white/all-Asian school (no blacks) so they are receiving a good education. The boys are all good students and good athletes and will probably all receive college sholarships.  The American people are very nice (although somewhat provincial and ignorant about almost everything not concerning them), very hard working and have no prejudice against Asians.  In fact, my boys have been chosen Captain on their athletic teams and "class favorites" a their school. Thats the good.

Now the bad - although the American people are friendly and nice, esp in the South, the governmental policies are hard and cruel.  The government wages these terrible imperialistic wars against other peoples and commits all kinds of war crimes.  It makes my husband so mad but the people are ignorant of what is going on and think the are defending themselves.  Also, there is a terrible race division in this country.  The white people detest the black people although the government protects the blacks from harm. Whenever blacks attend the schools in large numbers the schools fall into violence, anarchy and chaos. The other students are not safe. Thus, all the whites (and Asians) flee to the country to attend all-white/all-Asian schools.  Also, crime, violence, welfare, joblessness and drugs are all rampant among the blacks.  At some point I think there may be a race war here if the federal government is ever weakened sufficiently so that it will be unable to protect the blacks against the greater population.  In a way, there is a race war going on already consisting of black-on-white and black-on-Asian crime (rapes, assaults, theft, robbery, burglarys, welfare crime, etc) against the other races.

It is this racial division which probably more than anything else accounts for the bizarre government policies which offer very little social safety net to the poor.  Everybody thinks the blacks are lazy and won't work, thus they see assistance to the poor as just hand-outs to non-deserving blacks.  It results in great hardship for the working poor. The burden falls on the middle class since the tax rates on the rich are very poor.  A typical middle class family will pay close to 50% in taxes (inc tax, sales tax, soc sec tax, medi care tax, prop tax, school tax, etc) whereas the rich who live off inheritance/investment income pay only 15%.  Ridiculous!!  Our school taxes are $10,000 per year for example.  Even then because we live in an affluent area they double tax us to send additional money to the poorer school districts.  Meanwhile, there is no free medical for anyone (you pay through the nose to an insurance or drug company (who have bought off the government), no free education, no disability for those laid off work after a year, etc...   All the policies are to the benefit of the very wealthy, big corporate interests (Wall Street, Big Insurance, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Industrial Complec, etc) and the middle class is squeezed between give-a-way programs for the poor blacks and corporate welfare and tax cuts for the very rich.

Its a stupid policy too.  The last time the Republicans were in power for a long time they squeezed the middle class for the benefit of the rich and the income disparity peaked in 1928 with the resultant Great Depression shortly thereafter (the people were tapped out with no money to spend so demand dropped and production stopped).  Same happened after 30 years of Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush, we have again peaked out at the highest income disparity since 1928 with the people again tapped out, no demand, etc.   Morever, the j

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by casey69 on 27th Sep, 2010 at 4:33am
oops, got cut off.

rest of it -

ts a stupid policy too.  The last time the Republicans were in power for a long time they squeezed the middle class for the benefit of the rich and the income disparity peaked in 1928 with the resultant Great Depression shortly thereafter (the people were tapped out with no money to spend so demand dropped and production stopped).  Same happened after 30 years of Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush, we have again peaked out at the highest income disparity since 1928 with the people again tapped out, no demand, etc.   Morever, the jobs have been shipped overseas.  Its not a pretty picture.  Everybody had high hopes for Obama but he is terribly weak.  Instead of an FDR we got another Clinton.  Plus, he is black and half the country detests blacks so much they wouldn't give him a chance even if he were a strong President.  Besides, there is so much corruption with corporate money paying off the Senate nothing good is going to happen in the forseeable future.  Revolution is coming once the whole deck of cards collapses.

Incidentally, on a side note for you there who have friends here, tell all the Lao girls you know who are here that they are headed for trouble if they keep dating blacks.  Most Lao girls here date white guys or other Asians but there are many who date black and nothing good comes of it.  There is no future with most black guys.  More than likely the girls will end up beaten, pregnant and broke in the best case scenario and being pimped out in the worst case scenario.  Those that date and marry whites do much better with their lives plus they have such beautiful children.


sorry i guess i write much too much

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by casey69 on 27th Sep, 2010 at 12:42pm
I change mind and vote no.  After all, I am Lao even though I live in US. What is Ho to Laos?  He is hero to Vietnam. Yes?  Not Laos.  That would be analogous to Great Britain putting up a statute of George Washington.  Yes?  Or Mexico putting up a statute of Sam Houston.  Makes no sense to me.

Title: Re: Should Vietnam build Uncle Ho statue in Laos?
Post by LAOS on 27th Sep, 2010 at 3:52pm

casey69 wrote on 27th Sep, 2010 at 12:42pm:
I change mind and vote no.  After all, I am Lao even though I live in US. What is Ho to Laos?  He is hero to Vietnam. Yes?  Not Laos.  That would be analogous to Great Britain putting up a statute of George Washington.  Yes?  Or Mexico putting up a statute of Sam Houston.  Makes no sense to me.


Vietnam is flooding Laos with Viet immigrant, and trying to take over Laos. Why would any Lao in their right mind supported something like that. I undersand Vietnam  help Laos, but there is alway string attach. We can't trust any foreigner control and running Laos. We know what happen when the French was in charge of Laos. They give Isan away to Thai. When Thai control Laos not good either. Now Vietnam are in charge for over 35 year. Now at we can see Laos is still the least developing country in Asia. Seem like doesnt matter what end of stick. We Lao alway get screw.

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