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Message started by Admin Saovaluck on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 6:46am

Title: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 6:46am
When going out for a night on the town in Laos, on the menu for the typical foreign tourist will be magic mushrooms, cannabis and even opium.

The pubs literally have menus listing all those drugs and even "disco buckets" containing some of each.

When 24-year-old Nathan, from Newcastle, Australia went to Laos for a few days during a tour of South-East Asia last November he thought things would be pretty loose.

But even he was shocked at the reality of the place.

"Stuff gets out of control," he said. "It gets crazy."

Nathan took a picture of the drugs menu at the first nightspot he visited, a pub on the riverside in Vang Vieng.

A bag of "weed", mushrooms or opium frequently processed to produce heroin was about 100,000 Laotian kip ($12) while a litre bottle of locally-produced "whisky" was about $2.

He said he did not try the opium but he and his friends had a bit of everything else.

"I was worried about the police but I didn't see anyone get busted," he said.

"The people at the bars make it seem normal."

The Wikitravel website says while drugs are technically illegal in Laos, in towns like Vang Vieng some are freely available in many bars and restaurants.

However, the site advises travellers not to buy drugs off the street or risk being taken to a police station and forced to pay a "fine" of about $450.

Laos has featured prominently in local headlines this year after the deaths there of three young Australians.

Lee Hudswell, 22, of Sydney, and Daniel Eimutis, 19, of Melbourne, died while "tubing" in a river near Vang Vieng and 22-year-old Alexander Lee, from Melbourne, was mysteriously found dead in a hotel room in the village of Nongkio along with his Dutch girlfriend.

A young woman, Annika Morris, 19, from Melbourne, passed out and became extremely ill while after drinking a shot of whisky while tubing.

There is no suggestion any had taken illegal drugs.

But Nathan went tubing too and said everything that was available in the pubs was also available at the bars that lined the river.

"I was with a group of people, and we just lost them," he said.

"It was just all the alcohol, mixed with drugs and floating down the river and all these jumps and slides down the side of the river."

He said he could easily see how "stuff goes wrong over there".

"I'm surprised it doesn't happen to more people."

Queensland University emeritus professor Martin Stuart-Fox, an expert on South-East Asian history, said the situation in Laos was "the sixties all over again" when "everything" was openly available.

"In '63 Laos had the largest legal opium den in the world in a disused theatre and the best cubicles were on stage," he said.

"In the markets in the sixties you could see these little old women who had a pile of tobacco on one side and an equally large pile of marijuana on the other."

He said the western tourists were there back then too, often young men in Kombis who had driven from Europe via Afghanistan or India for the hash.

But everything changed in 1975 after the Laotian Civil War when the Pathet Lao - the Laotian equivalent of Vietnam's Viet Cong - came to power.

"They rounded up all the local addicts and prostitutes and put them on two islands in the Nam Ngum reservoir to go cold turkey," Professor Stuart-Fox said.

"For a while all this was cleaned up, but then in the mid-1980s Laos opened up to foreign investment and little by little these practices returned. Nightclubs opened and the tourists came back."

"By about the year 2000 you could get women and drugs fairly easily in Laos and there was a lot of corruption."

"Officially, the communist regime claims to try and control the drugs but in fact because of the corruption, these places with the menus just pay off the officials."

"You can get drugs pretty well anywhere."

Professor Stuart-Fox said there had always been drugs in Laos because they were part of the indigenous culture.

"Opium is freely available because it's always been used for medicinal purposes, and marijuana is also available because it's used in medicinal soups," he said.

"The drugs that are really nasty now are the manufactured drugs like amphetamines."

"Tourists visiting Laos should to take special note of travel advice."

"While Laos is not an inherently dangerous country (tourists are advised to exercise normal safety precautions) there are very serious legal and health risks associated with taking drugs there."

"As anywhere, risks associated with water-based and other potentially dangerous activities, like tubing, are magnified further if combined with alcohol or drug taking."

Nathan said he had no regrets about his time in Laos and wanted to go back.

"I don't regret it because nothing really happened to us, but I regret seeing these articles in the news and seeing how uncontrollable it is," he said.

"You do have a great time, everyone there's having a blast but it's the kind of thing your parents wouldn't want you doing."


















Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 8:51am
Every action has a consequence. If you decide to take drug that's your own fault, and responsibility.
:)

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 8:54am
Not just in Laos. Its 10 time worst in America you can get any kind of drug you want. Money talk. But we has a choice not to used drug.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 10:10am
Yes, but you don't see marijuana and opium for sale in American restaurants. If people want drugs in America, they need to deal in the black market.

The fact that drugs are illegal in Laos, but yet restaurants are openly selling drugs to their customers shows that our law is not working in Laos.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Laosnow on 22nd Feb, 2012 at 8:41pm
The article in the OP gives the distinct impression that recreational drugs are publicly offered for sale in Laos.

This is not the case.

No restaurants in Vientiane, Luang Prapang, Pakse, etc. offer menus like those in the pictures.

Those menus and the information in the article are from Vang Vieng - a town in central Laos which is almost totally given over to the western backpacker set who go there for the wild partying, tubing, recreational drugs, etc.

In that town, nearly every restaurant has those 'happy' menus, but you will never find such things publicly available in Vientiane.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 23rd Feb, 2012 at 3:36am
The article specifically pointed out Vang Vieng, and there's no mention of Vientiane, Luang Prabang and Pakse.

I can also confirm that no restaurants in Vientiane offer drugs as part of the menu. However, that being said, I don't go to clubs, bars and brothels in Vientiane so anything could be there.

At the end of the day, Vang Vieng is still a part of Laos and the law applies across the country. Lao law doesn't give Vang Vieng priority over other towns to give people the freedom to use drugs.

Drugs are freely available for sale in Vang Vieng, therefore people have the right to purchase these drugs and travel to other towns with them. Why foreigners are at risk of being fined or arrested if they are caught with drugs in Laos just doesn't make any sense, and that's an area that we need to take a hard look at as a country.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 23rd Feb, 2012 at 11:29am
Corruption corruption is the problem. "Absolute power corruption." :(

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 23rd Feb, 2012 at 11:33am
Law and order is weak. Laos is not a developed country yet. Some of these backpacker know that drug are easy accesses there. Some are probably a drug addicted. You have  no one to blame but yourself.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 23rd Feb, 2012 at 4:25pm
Corruption in Laos has gone beyond control.

Businesses in Vang Vieng are obviously taking advantage of tourist drug users and addicts.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 24th Feb, 2012 at 9:05am
Maybe they can do better jobs cracking down on illegal Chinese, and Vietnamese immigrant. And illegal logging in Laos :(

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 24th Feb, 2012 at 10:58am
The Thais are probably saying the same thing about us, with all the illegal Lao immigrants and workers that are in Thailand.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by LLXE on 25th Feb, 2012 at 1:45pm
Maybe.. but about 20 million of Thai population is ethnic LAO. :)

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 28th Feb, 2012 at 8:38am
Yes, but the 20 million ethnic Lao people are Thai citizens.

I'm talking about Lao citizens who go to Thailand illegally.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by somvang on 28th Feb, 2012 at 10:31am
I never see any restaurant offering this kind of menu in Vientiane also. I have been offered at pimai to taste the special chicken soup. that is all concerning the culinary arts. The drugs are mostly in the streets in the hands of tuktuk. They clearly concentrate most of the trade with the tourists. I have heard rumors about an opium house that open its doors once a week and it is probably the last of its kind on VTE and clearly unknown of tourists.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 28th Feb, 2012 at 10:57am
Tuk tuk and jumbo drivers don't have any possession of drugs, but they've been nearly everywhere around Vientiane as part of their job, so they know where to find things including drugs, prostitution, places to eat dogs etc.

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by somvang on 28th Feb, 2012 at 1:47pm
Ho yes, some tuk tuk operating along the mekong do have in their possession most of the time quite well canceled inside their vehicle a broad spectrum of drugs : weed, opium, yaba, heroin and other substances! During the day they asks tourists passing-by if they need anything. Most foreigners would decline the offer or do not pay attention at all. But at night (early evening when it is getting darker) clients will jump in an previously identified tuk tuk for a course around the block the time to conduct the deal. Yes, you are right, it is quite simple and not that too risky for streetwise backpackers to get what they need!

Title: Re: Drugs on the menu for foreign tourists in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 11th Jan, 2013 at 11:59am


Two Aussies die in Laos - drug links claim



Two Australian friends travelling in the southeast Asian nation of Laos died within days of each other, reportedly from drug overdoses.

Kane Scriven, 40, and Nick Parkin, 39, both from Darwin, who had worked as ship crewmen, were found dead in the Laotian capital Vientiane early in January, 2013.

Mr Scriven's body was found in his hotel room on January 1, while Mr Parkin was found dead three days later, also in his hotel room.

The men had been travelling together but it is not certain whether the deaths were linked.

ABC radio reports both men died from drug overdoses, possibly from the same batch of drugs, although this had not been confirmed by Laotian or Australian authorities.

Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade (DFAT) said two Australian men had died in Vientiane but would not reveal their names, citing privacy laws.

Family and friends of the dead men left messages on Facebook to remember the pair.

"My brother Nick died in Laos on the 4th," said Timothy Parkin.

Jaimie Hildebrand, a friend of Mr Parkin, said she was hoping to hear the news was a prank.

"Love you with all my heart," she said on her page.

Another friend, Luke Martin, said Mr Parkin was a great man and friend.

"Having known you has been an absolute pleasure and I'm sad to hear your (sic) gone, but so thankful for the fantastic memories," he said.

On Tuesday a friend of Mr Scriven, Joel Kowalski, who had worked with the two men at Workboats Northern Australia said Mr Scriven would be missed.

"He was definitely a larrikin. He had a kind heart and was always there for everyone," Mr Kowalski said.

The Australian government's smartraveller website warns of the dangers of drug use in Laos.

"Some restaurants in popular tourist locations offer drug-laced food and drink which may contain harmful and unknown substances," the website said.

"The unknown additives in these foods and drinks can be dangerous and may result in serious illness and death."


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