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Message started by Mak Nad on 27th Jan, 2014 at 11:53am

Title: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 27th Jan, 2014 at 11:53am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWUZ2OrDXt4

I almost cried because of this

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 27th Jan, 2014 at 12:13pm
Its make me sad too. The commies man not the Lao people.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 27th Jan, 2014 at 12:49pm
Of course not. Communism was created by a white man. These are soviet minded people committing these atrocities

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 1st Feb, 2014 at 12:11pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVlZYcDHbGY

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by TexasCowboy on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 3:48pm

Buk Nut wrote on 27th Jan, 2014 at 12:49pm:
Of course not. Communism was created by a white man. These are soviet minded people committing these atrocities

Karl Marx was Jewish, not White. A blue-eyed Caucasian man from northern Indian was, however, the founder of Buddhism.

Don't try to pin the blame of Christianity and Marxism on the White race because we are as much victims of these two abhorrent belief systems as any group in East Asia.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by TexasCowboy on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 3:53pm
And the Hmong aren't exactly innocent in all of this either. Go talk to the ethnic peoples in Salavan and ask them about the Hmong and they will tell you in no uncertain terms that the Hmong are the enemy and how the Hmong used American weaponry to take and deprive other ethnics of their property and women. 

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 4:10pm

TexasCowboy wrote on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 3:53pm:
And the Hmong aren't exactly innocent in all of this either. Go talk to the ethnic peoples in Salavan and ask them about the Hmong and they will tell you in no uncertain terms that the Hmong are the enemy and how the Hmong used American weaponry to take and deprive other ethnics of their property and women. 


I understand what you're saying .But we talking about
as of current .I realize some of them might have commit crime in the past.But these people doesn't look that old.
Kinda like what North Korea doing by punshing the whole
generation thing that was started by his grandfather.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by TexasCowboy on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 6:53pm
Good point. The situation is certainly complicated. It's a shame you can't really trust any group to keep good on their word. I'm sure the Hmong would lay down their arms if their was some way to assure them that they would receive some land to live with the rest of country peaceably. The United States kinda crappity smacked the entire region over and this is but a long term problem from the war.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 4th Feb, 2014 at 5:29am

TexasCowboy wrote on 3rd Feb, 2014 at 3:48pm:

Buk Nut wrote on 27th Jan, 2014 at 12:49pm:
Of course not. Communism was created by a white man. These are soviet minded people committing these atrocities

Karl Marx was Jewish, not White. A blue-eyed Caucasian man from northern Indian was, however, the founder of Buddhism.

Don't try to pin the blame of Christianity and Marxism on the White race because we are as much victims of these two abhorrent belief systems as any group in East Asia.


I'm not blaming anyone all I'm saying is that the creator was (if not white, Jewish, whatever he was, of European ancestry) a caucasian person, and the idea came to East Asia from the Soviets, who were the main promoters of it. Basically I mean it didn't originate in SE Asia and it's not a SE Asian thing. No one's really innocent. They say there are 3 sides to every story...The first party's side, the second party's side, and the truth.

Also, I appreciate your response, I did not know that the Hmongs themselves had committed atrocities on the other ethnicities. What kind of ethnic groups are there in Salavan? Kuy I know, Lao obviously and...others?

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 6th Feb, 2014 at 11:26am
But then again these people might have their own agenda.
They surely was playing at the heart string of the guy filming
. I mean they had everyone on theirs knee crying.Maybe they seen or heard of relatives in other part of the world doing well for themselves. Heck if i was in their position i prob would done the same thing.Maybe get the attention
of some hollywood actor that wanna do some good in the world.Maybe i get adopt . lol ;D

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 8th Feb, 2014 at 9:31am
Well, no matter what those Hmong did, I don't think they deserve the intense suffering shown in the video. No human being does.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:12am
I agree with ya . Human are our worst enemies

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:24am
Who is the best friends? Lions? Tigers? Elephants? Batman? Spiderman?  :laugh4


ba dac wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:12am:
I agree with ya . Human are our worst enemies


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:33am
lol. i meant we are our own worst enemie

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:35am
We are living in a man-eat-man society? Holy!


ba dac wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:33am:
lol. i meant we are our own worst enemie


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:44am

peterpan wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:35am:
We are living in a man-eat-man society? Holy!


ba dac wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:33am:
lol. i meant we are our own worst enemie


true

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LaoPapaya on 30th Oct, 2014 at 10:18am
damn..

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by grant on 31st Oct, 2014 at 12:43pm
can someone pass the pepper and salt please  :D

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 1st Nov, 2014 at 3:33pm
grant, are you 12 years old? no offense.  :thinking

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  >:(

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 18th Nov, 2014 at 11:39am

LPB7 wrote on 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am:
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  >:(


I might have to agree with ya on this.They know
the hmong in the USA have it good.Case in point.
We all know meo people like to have multiple wives.
In California the men has alot of wives and childrens, all
the do is stay  home and collect welfare. I know this for a
fact. But i'm guessing they are doing it in other states too.
Let's just say they're nobody fool.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 18th Nov, 2014 at 12:12pm

LPB7 wrote on 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am:
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  >:(


I'm not saying you are wrong, but did you watch the video?

Unless they have some special effects or something then how did they get that boys intestines to fall out? They could have used cow intestines I bet, but I'm not sure. It seems somewhat legitimate to me.

I've seen many Hmong people in the north of Laos and I haven't seen any conflicts between Hmong people and Lao people. They seem to get along fine. But then again, not all Hmong fought alongside the US during the war.

In a way, I am glad Lao became communist because if it didn't then maybe it would be like Thailand right now, just keekha to the west and American capitalism.

I'd have to go back to Laos and talk extensively to locals to find out about the situation in order to know for sure, but I know the government does abduct activists and they are never seen again. So you never know.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 20th Nov, 2014 at 4:34pm
Yes I've watched this documentary many times, I'm not saying it's not happening, just that it's been exaggerated. The LPDR spends a meagre 18 millions dollars on its defence budget. Do you really think they have the resources to wage full-scale genocide against the Hmong?

In saying that, the deed has been done. The Lao Government has no other option but to either expel or annihilate every single Meo (including the Meo living amongst us) in Laos. Like Ba Dac said the Meo practice polygamy, if they are allowed to thrive within Lao society they will eventually surpass us in numbers and they will attempt to gain power and seek vengeance against our people. Such as that treacherous Vang Po tried to do in 2007.

We are Lao, the Meo are not. Our forefathers didn't refer to them as khon kaah for nothing.

For us to show any sympathy towards the Meo would be akin to spitting in the faces of our ancestors.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 21st Nov, 2014 at 4:09am
I think Lao just called the brown-skinned mountain people, such as the Khmu (the original people of Laos) "kah tat." The Hmongs, Mien, Akha etc. just came down to Laos from Yunnan. Technically they aren't even Lao. I noticed in Laos that all of the ethnic groups use Lao names except for Mien people and Hmongs. Hmongs keep their identity more than any other group I've seen. This could be because they dislike Lao people but I'm not sure.

Getting to the point, most Lao people I know aren't hateful at all towards any group, except for the Americanized ones. Is it not true that the Hmongs just wanted democracy by supporting the royal Lao army instead of the communists? Most Lao people seem to want democracy, except for many I met in the south who fought alongside the Viet Cong. So why all the hate for "Meos"? I never saw any Lao people in Laos hate them. So why do westernized Lao people hate?

I'm not taking any side yet, because i dont know enough information.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 21st Nov, 2014 at 3:54pm
33:07 to 33:20, Our forefathers didn't exactly see the ethnic minorities as our equals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OPUHEtjudc

Yes it's true that the meo fought alongside the Royal Lao Army, but in reality the majority of Hmong people were/are too primitive and ignorant to know the difference between democracy and communism. The Royal Lao Army would of been better off without them in their ranks. The Hmong were nothing more than two-faced mercenary whores who chose the losing side and are now paying the price for it.

Did you meet any Lao military/security personnel whilst you were over there? I can tell you that they don't see the meo in a favorable light.

Some westernize meo hate Lao people and the nation of Laos. That's enough for me to despise them.

Political differences aside, the Lao Dang are still the same people as us. I for one am not ashamed of their so-called program of eradication (pure lies from Hmong activists and the media) of the meo hiding in the jungles.

Anyway that's my opinion.




Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 2:30am
There are basically 2 groups of minorities in Laos. The Khmer type, which Lao people used to call "slaves," and the recent wave that came from China. There wasn't much discrimination on the new wave until recently.

I've been told by ordinary Lao people that they are afraid of the government and the Lao Daeng and dislike them. They grant a lot of concessions to the Vietnamese and let the Viets exploit Lao land. Lao activists or anyone speaking out is fair game to them. They are basically Vietnam's cronies. Also the extermination makes Lao people look bad, like a brutal people, when in reality most Lao people I know detest violence and killing. Most see the Siamese as violent scum, since so many Lao people are killed in Siam. 

Anyways, I'm not saying the meos are "noble" because I know they used to shoot up cars and buses travelling the route from Vientiane to Luang Prabang and some tourists had been killed.


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:34am
My friends in Lao had education in France and Russia, they belong to the dominant group? From where they got education . I am just curious.


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:53am
No, I don't think they belong to the dominant group. Most Lao people I know never finished high school or went to college.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:52pm

Buk Nut wrote on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 2:30am:
There are basically 2 groups of minorities in Laos. The Khmer type, which Lao people used to call "slaves," and the recent wave that came from China. There wasn't much discrimination on the new wave until recently.

I've been told by ordinary Lao people that they are afraid of the government and the Lao Daeng and dislike them. They grant a lot of concessions to the Vietnamese and let the Viets exploit Lao land. Lao activists or anyone speaking out is fair game to them. They are basically Vietnam's cronies. Also the extermination makes Lao people look bad, like a brutal people, when in reality most Lao people I know detest violence and killing. Most see the Siamese as violent scum, since so many Lao people are killed in Siam. 

Anyways, I'm not saying the meos are "noble" because I know they used to shoot up cars and buses travelling the route from Vientiane to Luang Prabang and some tourists had been killed.



Fair enough, I respect your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

However I disagree that the extermination of the meo bandits makes Laos look bad. All great nations, kingdoms and empires (including The Kingdom of Lan Xang) past and present were built through brutality and waging war.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 9:05pm

Buk Nut wrote on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:53am:
No, I don't think they belong to the dominant group. Most Lao people I know never finished high school or went to college.


Thanks, I just don't know there are sort of gaps among different minorities until you brought up this. In 1996, they even used mobile in Lao, fancy cars,  that gave me impact. It was popular in Thailand well.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 12:05am
In Thailand the wealth gap is smaller, at least among the "Tai" speaking groups. These days even country people have tractors, cars and at least somewhat of a highschool education. This is not true in Northern Thailand where there are a cluster of ethnic minorities who still live without any infrastructure and practice subsistence agriculture, with some ethnic Padaung villages being exploited by the Thais for tourist money. The Thai-subhuman gutter filth will exploit anything for quick money.

My personal opinion is that the ethnic minorities should just be left undisturbed so they can continue to keep their culture, but in practice this is impossible because if they aren't citizens of Thailand then they won't have the deed to the property they live on and a Thai-dog can come and seize it from them. Once they obtain Thai citizenship, the Thai dog-government will build a "school" (brainwashing institute) in their village and that school doesn't mention anything about what ethnicity they are, it just teaches them to be Thai. So the schools are effectively destroying ethnic minorities in Northern Thailand.

Apart from these minorities, Thailand is a worthless facebook country. They have no brains and don't know how to do anything except use Facebook. There are no more traditional women in the new generation in Thailand. All the traditional women are old and are going to die soon. I've never seen a Thai woman under 30 wear a "sarong" or "sinh." I don't see why Thailand needs to exist anymore, it is just a Facebook country, there is nothing Siamese left except the corruption and materialistic greed. Thai kids these days don't even listen to Thai music anymore, they prefer western styles. I'm afraid Laos will be this way in 20 years.

Anyways, in Laos, as in any non-developed nation, there is a huge gap between the rich and poor with not much of a middle class to speak of. Even in 2014 many kids are illiterate and can't attend school. In Laos you can still get a traditional girl but it's getting harder with each passing year because it's slowly becoming a Facebook country like Thailand. I don't know how many of you have travelled extensively through Laos but there are many cute girls who don't use  smartphones or social media and haven't been exposed tothe western world. That is very hard to find these days as our society is devoured by the western filth culture and our women stop being pure. Sometimes I wonder if I will save up enough money to marry a traditional Lao girl in time or whether it will become a Facebook country before I get the chance to.

I never thought the 21st century would be such a hellhole.

Yes, there are people with fancy cars in Laos, but Peter, if you think they are the majority it makes me wonder, have you really even been to Laos before? Obviously you said you have, but have you ever gone outside the city? The people with money and fancy cars in Laos is a small minority and also I don't respect them because they embrace western values. The only Lao people I respect are the "real" ones.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 5:24am
"The people with money and fancy cars in Laos is a small minority and also I don't respect them because they embrace western values."

Why do you hate them for having nice houses and driving expensive cars? Even if they embrace some western values they still retain their Lao heritage and culture.

By the way, the Thai policy of exploiting their ethnic minorities is fantastic and should be adopted by the Lao Government. Ethnic minority groups in Laos are nothing but worthless piles of sh!t that contribute nothing to our nation, all they do is waste our natural resources and kill our endangered wildlife. Only the Tai-Dam should be exempted from such policies.

Now, I'm in no way a big fan of Thailand, but I give credit where credit is due. None more so than when they deported that Hmong crook Moua Toua Ter back to Laos and presumably straight into the hands of the Lao Secret Police :applause

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 8:27am
It's not about the houses nor the cars, and I didn't say I hated them. I'm a purist I guess you could say, and they are too international for me. The poorer Lao people aren't international at all, and the city girls all think they're too "hip" to wear sinh so they prance around in their jeans like American girls and they also listen to English music.

It's true that some minorities do participate in logging, but Lao people are just as guilty. There really is no difference between the diet of Lao people and that of minorities,  they all eat bushmeat except for people in the city.

Why do you think I see the ethnic minorities as important? I'm not even talking about the Hmong, the Khmu were here even before the Lao people so they should be treated respectfully. The minorities are less westernized than Lao people, and the women are more likely to be virgins and wear 'sinh' while Lao girls these days are getting more and more westernized. I feel like minorities preserve 'Lao' culture even better than many Lao people do.

I want to keep my culture alive so I will go to Laos to get my wife and I won't marry a westernized girl. I want a traditional Lao girl not some fakeass jeans wearing Taylor Swift facebook Lao girl. If I can't find a Lao Lum girl like that then I would get an ethnic minority. Why do you hate them so much? I see Lao people marrying Khmu all the time.

Yeah the Tai Dam are Tai speaking people like us, and they are more traditional than Lao girls, so ideally if I married a minority I would marry a Tai Dam, Phutai or Tai Daeng, or I would just marry an ethnic Lao girl from Sieng Taeng, Cambodia which used to be Laos until the French gave it to Cambodia.

Thailand should definitely keep their minorities, because they are the only humans in the nation. Thais are not humans.




Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 8:35am
Here are Tai Dam girls, nice traditional virgin girls
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Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 10:10am


Lao high society ladies

http://www.laopride.com/pictures4/lao-high-society-ladies1.jpg

Please click on image to view a larger version


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 10:41am
Lol, please admin. Those ladies probably only put on those clothes during a ceremony, as soon as the ceremony is over they rush to pull it off and slip back into their hot pants and jeans and go back to listening to their Justin Bieber crap and eating their macaroni and cheese and hamburgers because they can't stomach Lao food.


Culture means nothing if it's only done for a ceremony. The definition of culture is the way one lives one life every day.

I could put on an African Tribal mask and dance around in circles like a crazy guy and say I know African culture. The real Africans would probably be wearing those masks in daily life. Same goes with the Sinh/sarong and Lao culture.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 3:32pm
The Lao economy is growing at around 7%-8% per annum, it is becoming more and more modern. This is the reason why they look more international, I see no problem with Lao Lum women wearing western clothing while only wearing traditional Lao clothes during ceremonies, religious festivals etc. At the end of the day they are still Lao. The ethnic minorities can dress themselves as Lao people all they want, it still doesn't make them Lao as they are not ethnically Lao.

Why do I hate the minorities? They make up 45% of the population, they breed like rats and will surpass us in numbers. If we allow this to happen it is us Lao that will be the minority in our own country. Not to mention that they demand to be treated on equal terms with us Lao Lum yet have contributed nothing to our civilization. They are also the main culprits when it comes to ripping off and stealing from tourists which gives Laos a bad image.

However their days are numbered with the construction of the dams and the proposed railway line connecting China to Laos and SE Asia. And that's only the beginning, soon we'll need more and more of our land that they illegally settled in for development.

Looking at that photo of the Tai-Dam, they really do need our help to get them out of the poverty line.

You might have to double your efforts in your search for that traditional Lao girl as the Lao Government plans to get Laos out of the developing nations group by 2020 and into the upper-middle income group by 2030 at the latest. In any case best of luck to you.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 4:08pm
I don't know if you are trolling or what but there's no way their days are numbered. What will happen when that rail line is built? Will they just drop dead or vanish into thin air? I don't see what you mean. Also let's be realistic, the GDP is growing but you can't change an entire country from primarily rural farmers to high class educated people in 5-6 years. I say it's impossible. I wonder if you have really been to Laos and interacted with the people as much as I have or are just a Lao-American making up facts and preaching hate. Violence only leads to more violence.

Look at Thailand, it's one of the richest nations in ASEAN but they still have issues getting youth to stay in the education system. A lot of Thais drop out in 9th grade still.

As for Laos, what about the Lao people who haven't gone through the educational system? They can't get jobs anywhere so they won't be benfitted by this. I think it will take a generation to get anywhere.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like to see Lao people suffering, but those Tai Dam girls don't seem so sad. You don't need to become western in order to develop your country, people just choose to because of their own lack of honor and blindly following trends. I could have a PhD and still wear a sarong if I wanted to. In a way I admire the Muslims for being so good at keeping their culture, but I don't support all the violence.

In the end I don't have a say in any of this, it's all up to the Lao government (since the people have no say) but I don't see why I won't be able to get a traditional Lao girl in my lifetime. The traditional girls still alive today won't just die or vanish due to some development. The non-traditionals will keep being non-traditional and the traditional ones are still being born in rural areas.

http://www.ibtimes.com/laos-rapid-economic-growth-landlocked-southeast-asian-country-leaving-rural-poor-behind-1559619


Read this.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 9:19pm
No, of course the indigenous groups won't just vanished into thin air. But with modern development in rural areas it is the indigenous people that will lose their living space and farming grounds which in turn will deplete their population size. Just like the native Indians of America and the Aborigines of Australia their numbers will be greatly reduced within the next hundred years. And do you really think the development will stop at these two major projects? The Chinese, Vietnamese, Thais and Koreans all want a piece of the pie. Nothing can stop the development into the indigenous peoples settlements. There is too much money involved, the Government won't hesitate to displace and destroy the lands that the indigenous people live on. The welfare of the ethnic minorities means absolutely nothing to the Government, Government officials are making hundreds of thousands (probably millions) of dollars on the side through modernization.

My resentment towards the ethnic minorities is no different to your hatred shown towards the Siamese.

And yes I have been to Laos on many occasions as I have a lot of relatives from my dad's side that reside in Vientiane and Luang Prabang. Quite a few of them work for the Government and are doing very well for themselves.

Regarding the Lao people with little or no education, it obviously won't help them in the short term but it will in the long term. Nothing happens overnight.

Laos is moving inexorably forward to becoming a modern state while staying true to her traditions and culture, that is a fact. You can embrace the new Laos or you can despise it, it's your choice.

By the way I wasn't insulting you when I said best of luck in your search for a traditional Lao girl.


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 23rd Nov, 2014 at 11:25pm
Lol, I just read my OP and no I didn't almost cry. I've seen much worse than that. Anyways, it's just human nature to be aggressive. It's too bad though, I don't think any country is innocent, they're all just motivated by greed and power.

There's a quote that says "There are no good guys, only bad guys and worse guys."

Human nature, it's wicked, but in the end who ends up suffering, on a larger scope? How about animals, nature, our planet? We need trees to survive, pretty much. I'm getting off topic, but anyways I did see Lao people build mansions on Ta-Oy land in Salavan, and the Ta-Oy were their allies, so that just goes to show you.

I'm sure Laos needs some kind of development to stop it from turning into a shithole like Africa, but this is just too over the top, all the dams blocking the river, among other things.

You know what, you're damn right I will despise the new Laos and I'm not biased either because I despise America and Siam equally. Here in America there is a war on the male gender, liberalism and homosexual deviants on one side and ignorant bigots on the other.

Although Americans tend to be more humans than Siamese, this society is crappity smacked up because of moral panic, political correctness and feminism.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Admin Saovaluck on 24th Nov, 2014 at 12:21am
This is for local Laotians and tourists with a bit of money. An elegant and cleaner place to dine and watch Lao dance routines like this. I will show more photos later on a different thread.




Luxurious place in Laos to dine

http://www.laopride.com/pictures4/luxurious-place-in-laos-to-dine1.jpg

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Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 24th Nov, 2014 at 9:24am
I know you hate this type of modernization Mak Nad but this is the new look that Laos is heading towards.

https://www.facebook.com/amy.chanthaphavong/photos/pb.317017995072242.-2207520000.1416794168./558394607601245/?type=3&theater






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Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 24th Nov, 2014 at 10:19am
With the pics in mind, Mak Nad you have to triple your effort to find the lao girl you have in your wild imagination. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 24th Nov, 2014 at 10:51am
Why would I have to triple my effort? Thailand and Vietnam have those things too and they also have villagers. Who says one existing prevents the other from existing?

I've already stopped taking you seriously, LPB7, you're obviously a troll, and not a very good one. Just because some rich families in Laos bought some cars doesn't mean anything, and peter, I thought you'd be intelligent enough to use your critical thinking skills.

If the girls are in my imagination then I suppose the girls in my picture don't exist?

Also you must think that I'm a damn fool. I looked through that lady's photos and she is from the USA. She just went to Laos for one month. 

Ok little f@ggot, I've had enough of you and your tiny sissy noodle. You know what Na tua mea is? Well that's you, buk panya oon.

Take all your self righteous garbage and shove it up your goddamn effeminate ass, f@ggot.

How about I pound your pVssy face into the pavement, how's that direction pencil dick?

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 24th Nov, 2014 at 11:57am
By the way peter, the insult was not directed at you, it was for this no good shemale pretender. I hope you get dropped off in Syria and left with IS, LpB7.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 24th Nov, 2014 at 12:03pm
I dont have access to facebook.

But, I think that life, under the current of westernization, is the goal 99.99% are trying to pursue no matter where.

As for culture thing, if you were native, you raised in that way up to 16 years old or so, you would keep that way in your heart, perhaps not in your mind. Your mind will follow your heart  in anything.

Reading recommendation: Moment in Peking. The one of only two novels I read carefully ever. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 24th Nov, 2014 at 12:22pm
I don't mind westernization in the sense of educational things, such as medicine, science and technology.

The westernization I want to stamp out is western values of sex, relationships, materialism and capitalistic thinking.

Science and technology are good, but international brand name luxury merchandise and female promiscuity are not.

I guess I didn't make myself clear.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 24th Nov, 2014 at 12:35pm
Mak Nad, you sir are nothing more than a hypocrite. You say you deplore hate and violence yet you threaten to "pound my p*ssy face into the pavement" and refer to Thai people as sub-human gutter rats and dogs LOL

And the children of those rich Lao families will be the ones that will re-shape the future of Laos.

By the way that young lady happens to work for Muanson Media in Vientiane so she didn't just go to Laos for a month as you assumed.

It's obvious that you can't handle people with opposing views, go ahead throw more insults at me and call me a troll for having different views to you. At the end of the day we both know that Laos is moving forward with China, Vietnam and Thailand. In thirty to fifty years times the main cities in Laos will be completely different.

Westernization comes with all those things you've just mentioned.


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 24th Nov, 2014 at 1:03pm
I don't care, the cities are already moving in that direction. I'm not denying that Laos is becoming a wealthier nation, but it still has a long way to go. Real education is good, as it teaches you critical thinking and problem solving. Wealthy people without education are nothing. But then most of the education I see is not real education, it's just substandard education that teaches people to be materialistic and just want objects.

As long as there is a countryside where you can get away from that, I'm fine.

Yes, I think you are a pussy for saying Laos should be like that. Those rich kids are far removed from the everyday Lao way of life. They wouldn't know what it means to be Lao if it hit them in the face.

The same gap exists in most places in the world. Just because there are some wealthy people doesn't mean that everyone in the country shares that lifestyle. The wealthiest man in the world is from Mexico, Carlos Slim, but there are still poor people living without electricity in Mexico. You are a down-syndrome child who can't understand this.

I looked at that wh-re's facebook, what a stupid b-tch. She doesn't know sh-t about any Lao people, all she did when she was in Laos was stay at luxury hotels and post on Facebook with her f-cking stupid hashtags. Yeah, she visited the less fortunate people of Laos, for 2 days and then forgot about them. That c-nt is so full of herself, if she wasn't she wouldn't be taking photos of herself all over the place eating fancy food. She knows nothing about what it means to be Lao.

Lao Americans are mostly shitheads who are either whitewashed or try to act like some "gangsta n!ggers from the hood." I guess you are the whitewashed type, and you are probably also a homosexual.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 24th Nov, 2014 at 3:02pm
I never said that the countryside would be completely developed but the landscape will be drastically changed. The investors will build countryside resorts and golf courses everywhere in the rural regions. More modern roads and rail lines will be laid. The dams will change the ecosystem. And don't forget about the plans to expand mining in Laos for its rich minerals. All of these projects will affect the lively hood of rural Lao's and the ethnic minorities.

You'll still have your countryside getaway, the government won't take that away from you anytime soon.

Wow! And I thought I could be narrow minded at times. So any successful Lao women in Laos or overseas Lao women who post pictures of themselves on FB are "wh*res and stuck-up c*nts". Unbelievable!

Right, this "sh*thead, whitewashed probable homosexual" needs to go dolly himself up and go indulge in some gay shenanigans. Shame, thought I might go bust a cap with my n*ggers instead.

This thread has gotten way out of control and off topic. Agree to disagree. End of.


Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 24th Nov, 2014 at 3:29pm
F-ck your fancy materialistic golf courses and foreign investment. Maybe rural Lao people should take up arms against the state and remove these sell-out traitors. Hopefully Laos goes into debt and becomes bankrupt so it never happens. Maybe some Lao people will figure out some basic chemistry and detonate all the dams with explosives.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by peterpan on 24th Nov, 2014 at 4:10pm
Without dams, my electricty cost will double or triple. I need it after all.

It is my first time feel the tense of minorities. It is more than the comtempt among them I felt years ago in Lao. Maybe next time, I ll  make a documentary about it. :cooldancemove

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by ba dac on 25th Nov, 2014 at 11:36am
Dang, you guys need to calm down.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 25th Nov, 2014 at 11:50am
I can't calm down, that guy is a f-cking disgrace, an embarrassment to all Lao people.

He doesn't care about Lao people at all, and he supports some pretentious Lao-American c-unt woman who goes to Laos and acts all Hi-So to show off in front of the poor villagers and then she retreats back to her 5 star hotel in Luang Prabang.

People like this have never experienced the lives of normal Lao people, they just like to call themselves Lao but live exactly the same way Americans do. This guy is nothing but a fake piece of moldy trash and there's a special place in hell waiting for him when he dies.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 26th Nov, 2014 at 9:45am
It's obvious that LPB7 doesn't actually place any value on the lives of Lao people, even though he claims to be proud of being Lao. The only types he cares about are the rich, well off Lao people that are more similar to westerners and live in their own little bubble within Laos.

It's obvious that he thinks our fellow Lao people who are of lower economic status should just be swept under the rug and left to die while we exploit their land so we can have things "vital" for our nation, such as fancy golf courses, towering hotels and shopping malls. It's obvious that he just wants it to be another Thailand.

Please, LPB7, don't ever call yourself Lao. You're just another piece of sh!t. Go back to the trash can where you belong.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by LPB7 on 26th Nov, 2014 at 6:04pm

Buk Nut wrote on 24th Nov, 2014 at 3:29pm:
F-ck your fancy materialistic golf courses and foreign investment. Maybe rural Lao people should take up arms against the state and remove these sell-out traitors. Hopefully Laos goes into debt and becomes bankrupt so it never happens. Maybe some Lao people will figure out some basic chemistry and detonate all the dams with explosives.


You've drifted off into the realms of fantasy with those deluded comments. No Lao or ethnic minority peasant in their right mind would attempt to stage an uprising against the state. If they dared to, the state would crush their futile rebellion mercilessly. The same applies to any would be terrorist with an infatuation with explosives.

Even if Laos goes into debt or bankruptcy it won't have the slightest impact on the modernization of Laos. All the funding is coming from foreign investors. At most, the planned developments will be delayed.

All you self-proclaimed true Lao's can rant, rave, curse, sulk and whinge all you like. Laos is changing and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

Feel free to inundate me with more compliments and superlatives as I'll be jetting off on my sabbatical of western decadence in a few hours.

Looking forward to seeing you miserable sods moping about the brand spanking new modern Laos in around ten to twenty years time.

Cheerio lads



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Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 26th Nov, 2014 at 10:29pm
What's modern about 2 luxury cars and a swimming pool? This is why I said you're the classic bait and hook troll. They have those things in even the poorest countries, have you ever heard of the "ruling class" and "wealth gaps," especially prevalent in Africa, where the ruling class is up to their neck in diamonds and regular people are starving. It's not easy to just forget about millions of villagers who are reproducing every day and brush them under the carpet, hoping they fade away when the top percentile of the population gets wealthier than they previously were. Obviously with the movements you support what you want is for Laos to become another Africa you fool, and  impoverished Lao people might just start getting aggressive and violent like Africans when all the forests are gone and they have no land left to hunt for food, since they cannot afford to buy food in the markets. People are more durable than you think, and brushing them off to the side and hoping they just fade out will NOT work. You are supporting a recipe for disaster.

Ever been to Cambodia? Even little boys will try to attack you with glass bottles and take your money, and guess what? You will see Bentleys and Lexuses driving down the same city roads where you might get attacked. This is what your little plan will most definitely create. Even if Lao people do not turn violent, they will just get more desperate and turn to prostitution or drugs, spreading diseases and addiction all over the country, and with the primitive medical system of Laos, the shit will hit the fan.

I'm not even sure what you hope to accomplish by posting those images, you're just trying to bait like I said. I live in the USA and most of my friends don't even have those things, and I don't see them in the streets very often. Maybe the USA is just not modern enough for a poor little man like you. With what you want, you might as well just go live in Dubai, but knowing you, you just want Laos to be another Dubai.

Yeah, a few rich people will get access to these things, but the majority won't. Even in Thailand I wouldn't say the country is modern. Safety standards and social attitudes are still back in the dark ages, except they have new toys such as Facebook and cars. But even in Thailand, a much wealthier nation, the majority of people don't live like the ones in your images. Hence why I said you're a troll and I doubt you even believe your own argument. Modernization doesn't mean having a few new toys to play with, that's just hedonism and materialism. True modernization comes when Lao people are able to innovate and think for themselves instead of just playing with imported toys which they have no idea how they are made and no understanding of the process behind the development.

This time around I'm not gonna bother getting angry, your argument has more holes than swiss cheese and I'm calling you on your bluff. Insulting you just makes me look uncomposed. By the way, "western decadence"? It's becoming harder to take you seriously, you are just showing us what an ugly person you are on the inside. By the way, my apologies for the insults, I'd like to know what type of person you really are.

Modernization isn't a bad thing but what you posted isn't modernization, just a playboy lifestyle. Where are the pictures of the hospitals and other modern facilities? The university equipped with modern technology such as microscopes, labs etc? You can't provide that, only images of mere toys.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by Mak Nad on 27th Nov, 2014 at 2:23am
Sorry for the double posts. A second statement, your replies aren't even addressing the points I make in my posts.

To me it seems like you are just typing your posts up in order to sound as obnoxious as you possibly can instead of actually saying anything of value (example: "cheerio lads," "western decadence.") in order to attempt to provoke a reaction from me. (Hence why I think you're a troll, not because you disagree with me.)

I'm not denying that Laos is modernizing, try to name one country in the world that isn't modernizing. Everything evolves, eventually the sun will burn out and all life on Earth will go extinct. I don't disagree with change, nothing is permanent, but you are trying to use photos of imported cars and a swimming pool to represent modernization, which I think is totally wrong and just makes you look like a huge douchebag.

So do you even appreciate anything about Laos? What you appear to be insinuating is that whatever Laos has to offer as of now is of no value and the only way to make Laos have any merit is to uproot whatever is Lao and just replace it with western luxury items. If this is the case, why do you even want to be Lao? Just move to Dubai like I said.

I've already stopped taking you seriously because you've failed to address any of the points I've been making and continue on with your trolling. I didn't say I was a true Lao, I am American, but my heritage is Lao, I speak Lao and I appreciate Laos for what it has to offer, though apparently the wealthy Lao people do not appreciate it in its current state and would rather uproot and supplant all things Lao with western creature comforts such as golf courses for the purpose of their own recreation. If it happens then I accept it, there's no denying reality you fool. Moping about the inevitable future would be on the same level as walking around depressed every day because I know that someday I'm going to get old and die.

I'm not certain you are even sure what Western and especially American culture stands for. It's not "my neighbor got a new plasma screen TV so I need to get one to shut that bastard up." That is just for the shortsighted, narrow-minded fools who lack the capacity to enjoy life without constantly trying to obtain "new toys" before their neighbor Steve does. Western culture promotes a Promethean ideology meant to improve and innovate the many aspects of life. For example, the scientists that are finding cures for diseases, combating viral infections, unlocking the secrets of DNA and trying to create a society where people can think for themselves. This has partially been hijacked by ruthless capitalists and negro-loving liberals and feminists, who contribute nothing to society but a bunch of whine.

I'd say you wealthy Lao people (which I doubt you actually are, I suspect you are an impostor but this is for the sake of comparison) are of the former category, the "get a widescreen TV because my neighbor got one and I have to outdo him" category, and that's the type that will drive society into the dirt the fastest because they don't contribute, they are just mindless consumers feeding off of the system, they are the type to stampede and trample people to death at Wal-Mart because they can't wait to get their new video game. The world doesn't need any of these people, and luxury swimming pools and shopping malls that sell designer clothes don't help society in any shape or form.

What I represent is appreciating Laos for the "Lao" things it has to offer. When tourists travel to Laos they want to see the traditional ways of life, not western-wannabes driving around in luxury cars. You can find that anywhere in the world, and it's not that special really. Why would anyone want to go to Laos just to they could play golf or watch American cable television on a widescreen TV? The Lao identity is an important part of being Lao and selectively allowing the negative traits of western society to seep in and take over will do nothing but collapse Lao society and create a vacuum of lost identity and confusion among youth. The only reason I call Thai people scum is because they are some of the most shallow and materialistic people in the world, and if you want this for Laos then you should seriously take a moment and re-evaluate yourself.

I seriously hope you read my posts thoroughly enough to understand my message and you don't just dish out another post with pictures of fancy cars attached and raving about your stupid "activities," because I really don't care.

Title: Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Post by TexasCowboy on 27th Nov, 2014 at 10:03pm
I am an American and I also have many friends among the wealthy Western expat communities in Laos, Thailand, and China. One thing I can tell you is that we all look down on the noveau riche class as they are clearly nothing more than peasants with no taste or understanding of the luxury products that they are consuming. It really is pathetic when you see a Chinaman mixing club soda with a $1000 bottle of French wine. This is insulting to us because it is clear that you have no appreciation or knowledge of what you are consuming yet continue to buy it because it makes you look rich.

The truly wealthy classes might have expensive habits but their money is spent on custom made goods and fine pieces of craftsmanship and art. Not on gaudy and tasteless brand labelled shit. It is mostly those who are in debt who spend like they are wealthy. Really wealthy people want to keep it a secret and will downplay their wealth. I have many extremely rich Japanese and Korean friends and I have even tutored some and they will never talk about money or make a point of showing off their wealth. Posting a picture of your Buggati is pathetic and typical peasant behavior. Your family probably has to finance it for the next seven years.

Also no Westerners go to Thailand or Laos to play crappity smacking golf. The US already hasthe best courses and landscapes; there is no reason to go to Asia where the experience will be inferior. It's like the Thai ministry had the "golf pass" visa for a million baht and nobody bought it. Singaporeans understand this. Koreans understand this. Japanese understand this. Americans and Europeans understand this. It is only the newly minted who have no right to their riches and who want to emulate the genuinely successful who don't know this.

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