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Reply #15 - 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:44am
 
peterpan wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:35am:
We are living in a man-eat-man society? Holy!

ba dac wrote on 8th Feb, 2014 at 11:33am:
lol. i meant we are our own worst enemie



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Reply #16 - 30th Oct, 2014 at 10:18am
 
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Reply #17 - 31st Oct, 2014 at 12:43pm
 
can someone pass the pepper and salt please  Cheesy
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Reply #18 - 1st Nov, 2014 at 3:33pm
 
grant, are you 12 years old? no offense.  Thinking
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Reply #19 - 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am
 
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  Angry
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Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Reply #20 - 18th Nov, 2014 at 11:39am
 
LPB7 wrote on 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am:
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  Angry


I might have to agree with ya on this.They know
the hmong in the USA have it good.Case in point.
We all know meo people like to have multiple wives.
In California the men has alot of wives and childrens, all
the do is stay  home and collect welfare. I know this for a
fact. But i'm guessing they are doing it in other states too.
Let's just say they're nobody fool.
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Reply #21 - 18th Nov, 2014 at 12:12pm
 
LPB7 wrote on 18th Nov, 2014 at 10:56am:
This is nothing more than meo propaganda to demonize Lao people  Angry


I'm not saying you are wrong, but did you watch the video?

Unless they have some special effects or something then how did they get that boys intestines to fall out? They could have used cow intestines I bet, but I'm not sure. It seems somewhat legitimate to me.

I've seen many Hmong people in the north of Laos and I haven't seen any conflicts between Hmong people and Lao people. They seem to get along fine. But then again, not all Hmong fought alongside the US during the war.

In a way, I am glad Lao became communist because if it didn't then maybe it would be like Thailand right now, just keekha to the west and American capitalism.

I'd have to go back to Laos and talk extensively to locals to find out about the situation in order to know for sure, but I know the government does abduct activists and they are never seen again. So you never know.
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Reply #22 - 20th Nov, 2014 at 4:34pm
 
Yes I've watched this documentary many times, I'm not saying it's not happening, just that it's been exaggerated. The LPDR spends a meagre 18 millions dollars on its defence budget. Do you really think they have the resources to wage full-scale genocide against the Hmong?

In saying that, the deed has been done. The Lao Government has no other option but to either expel or annihilate every single Meo (including the Meo living amongst us) in Laos. Like Ba Dac said the Meo practice polygamy, if they are allowed to thrive within Lao society they will eventually surpass us in numbers and they will attempt to gain power and seek vengeance against our people. Such as that treacherous Vang Po tried to do in 2007.

We are Lao, the Meo are not. Our forefathers didn't refer to them as khon kaah for nothing.

For us to show any sympathy towards the Meo would be akin to spitting in the faces of our ancestors.
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Re: Warning, Graphic! The truth about Hmong people in Laos
Reply #23 - 21st Nov, 2014 at 4:09am
 
I think Lao just called the brown-skinned mountain people, such as the Khmu (the original people of Laos) "kah tat." The Hmongs, Mien, Akha etc. just came down to Laos from Yunnan. Technically they aren't even Lao. I noticed in Laos that all of the ethnic groups use Lao names except for Mien people and Hmongs. Hmongs keep their identity more than any other group I've seen. This could be because they dislike Lao people but I'm not sure.

Getting to the point, most Lao people I know aren't hateful at all towards any group, except for the Americanized ones. Is it not true that the Hmongs just wanted democracy by supporting the royal Lao army instead of the communists? Most Lao people seem to want democracy, except for many I met in the south who fought alongside the Viet Cong. So why all the hate for "Meos"? I never saw any Lao people in Laos hate them. So why do westernized Lao people hate?

I'm not taking any side yet, because i dont know enough information.
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Reply #24 - 21st Nov, 2014 at 3:54pm
 
33:07 to 33:20, Our forefathers didn't exactly see the ethnic minorities as our equals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OPUHEtjudc

Yes it's true that the meo fought alongside the Royal Lao Army, but in reality the majority of Hmong people were/are too primitive and ignorant to know the difference between democracy and communism. The Royal Lao Army would of been better off without them in their ranks. The Hmong were nothing more than two-faced mercenary whores who chose the losing side and are now paying the price for it.

Did you meet any Lao military/security personnel whilst you were over there? I can tell you that they don't see the meo in a favorable light.

Some westernize meo hate Lao people and the nation of Laos. That's enough for me to despise them.

Political differences aside, the Lao Dang are still the same people as us. I for one am not ashamed of their so-called program of eradication (pure lies from Hmong activists and the media) of the meo hiding in the jungles.

Anyway that's my opinion.



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Reply #25 - 22nd Nov, 2014 at 2:30am
 
There are basically 2 groups of minorities in Laos. The Khmer type, which Lao people used to call "slaves," and the recent wave that came from China. There wasn't much discrimination on the new wave until recently.

I've been told by ordinary Lao people that they are afraid of the government and the Lao Daeng and dislike them. They grant a lot of concessions to the Vietnamese and let the Viets exploit Lao land. Lao activists or anyone speaking out is fair game to them. They are basically Vietnam's cronies. Also the extermination makes Lao people look bad, like a brutal people, when in reality most Lao people I know detest violence and killing. Most see the Siamese as violent scum, since so many Lao people are killed in Siam. 

Anyways, I'm not saying the meos are "noble" because I know they used to shoot up cars and buses travelling the route from Vientiane to Luang Prabang and some tourists had been killed.

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Reply #26 - 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:34am
 
My friends in Lao had education in France and Russia, they belong to the dominant group? From where they got education . I am just curious.

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Reply #27 - 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:53am
 
No, I don't think they belong to the dominant group. Most Lao people I know never finished high school or went to college.
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Reply #28 - 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:52pm
 
Buk Nut wrote on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 2:30am:
There are basically 2 groups of minorities in Laos. The Khmer type, which Lao people used to call "slaves," and the recent wave that came from China. There wasn't much discrimination on the new wave until recently.

I've been told by ordinary Lao people that they are afraid of the government and the Lao Daeng and dislike them. They grant a lot of concessions to the Vietnamese and let the Viets exploit Lao land. Lao activists or anyone speaking out is fair game to them. They are basically Vietnam's cronies. Also the extermination makes Lao people look bad, like a brutal people, when in reality most Lao people I know detest violence and killing. Most see the Siamese as violent scum, since so many Lao people are killed in Siam. 

Anyways, I'm not saying the meos are "noble" because I know they used to shoot up cars and buses travelling the route from Vientiane to Luang Prabang and some tourists had been killed.




Fair enough, I respect your opinion. We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this topic.

However I disagree that the extermination of the meo bandits makes Laos look bad. All great nations, kingdoms and empires (including The Kingdom of Lan Xang) past and present were built through brutality and waging war.
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Reply #29 - 22nd Nov, 2014 at 9:05pm
 
Buk Nut wrote on 22nd Nov, 2014 at 8:53am:
No, I don't think they belong to the dominant group. Most Lao people I know never finished high school or went to college.


Thanks, I just don't know there are sort of gaps among different minorities until you brought up this. In 1996, they even used mobile in Lao, fancy cars,  that gave me impact. It was popular in Thailand well.
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