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Reply #45 - 24th Jan, 2010 at 7:37am
 
Hay hay hay.... Paying to those girls is mean boosting up the economy and won't have a problem at home. If hook up with those gals than you will have a problem back home......

I rather pay to be on safe side. If I have a chance to go over there.
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Reply #46 - 26th Jan, 2010 at 10:13pm
 
I'm little late to jump into this conversation...  I didn't get a chance to read everyone comments regarding this particular topic.

Prostitution is the quickest way to earn the $$$ and perhaps enjoy the pleasure at the same time:-).  I'm not condoning this line of work either.  When majority of the people are poor and living standard is below poverty, people will do anything to survive...  Which means selling their body and soul, if they have to.   It is sad thing to see..
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Our people just disgracing ourselves; Today we have no pride.
Lao people are trash to modern day world. We far behind.
Lack of every things.


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Reply #48 - 31st Jan, 2010 at 2:31am
 
WantLaosToBeIndependence, You're entitled to your opinion but we're doing just fine.
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Reply #49 - 31st Jan, 2010 at 4:25am
 
Admin Saovaluck wrote on 31st Jan, 2010 at 2:31am:
WantLaosToBeIndependence, You're entitled to your opinion but we're doing just fine.


Admin - You always seem to be speaking for ALL Laotian people in Laos.

In fact when I visited in 07' I went to Vang Vieng, Luang Prabang, and Pon Hong, there were parts THAT I SAW where people live in straw hut-like homes, typically built on stilts. The ones I visited have no running water lines, all they have are wells. Sewer facilities are just a hole in the ground, with no toilet seats. They go out hunting for birds, wild animals and the likes, fishing and looking for certain plants, vegetables and bamboo! These people have no education, no money and certainly NO AIR CONDITION HOME like you.

So please when you say "we're doing fine" I don't think you speak for the villagers and peasants out in the rural areas. Some of them have NOT even seen a computer before and have no idea what the INTERNET is. They are "doing fine" because they CAN'T SPEAK OUT OR COMPLAIN about the lack of materials and facilities, because they will be jailed or persecuted~ THEY HAVE NO VOICE! So they have to live life DAY BY DAY TO SURVIVE! You tell me they're doing fine?

You are doing fine because you live in the city, you have an education and probably earn more $$ than the average Laotian and probably born to middle class or rich family.

So please don't speak for ALL LAOTIANS! 

So how about YOU tell your government to INVEST more in its people!
OH WAIT~~YOU CAN"T SPEAK OUT EITHER!


In the communist political idealogy and socialist structure, THERE IS NO CLASS SEPARATION, NO RICH, NO POOR~~ "EVERYONE IS EQUAL"

Can you HONESTLY tell me~ ALL LAOTIANS ARE EQUAL TODAY?


If you say YES, I highly recommend you take a drive out to the countryside of Laos!

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Reply #50 - 31st Jan, 2010 at 7:24am
 
I don't think the western world is so perfect! I also think that guy live in the hut may not wish to have the same life as we have in the West! what we have to go through each day. I have received this poem send to me since 1999 by an unnamed person and I keep it and stick in my office wall to remind me. The world that I have is not that perfect!

We have taller buildings, but shorter tempers;

Wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints;

We spend more, but have less;

We buy more, but enjoy it less.

We have bigger houses and smaller families;

More conveniences, but less time;

We have more degrees, but less sense;

More knowledge, but less judgment;

More experts, but more problems;

More medicine, but less wellness.

We drink too much,

Smoke too much,

Spend too recklessly,

Laugh too little,

Drive too fast,

Get too angry too quickly,

stay up too late,

get up too tired,

read too seldom,

watch TV too much,

and pray too seldom.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.

We talk too much, love too seldom and lie too often.

We've learned how to make a living, but not a life;

we've added years to life, not life to years.

We've been all the way to the moon and back,

but have trouble crossing the street to meet the new neighbor.

We've conquered outer space, but not inner space;

we've done larger things, but not better things;

we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul;

we've split the atom, but not our prejudice;

we write more, but learn less;

plan more, but accomplish less.

We've learned to rush, but not to wait;

we have higher incomes; but lower morals;

more food but less appeasement;

We build more computers to hold more information,

to produce more copies than ever, but have less communication;

we've become long on quantity, but short on quality.

These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion;

tall men, and short character;

steep profits, and shallow relationships.

These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare;

more leisure and less fun;

more kinds of food, but less nutrition.

These are days of two incomes, but more divorce;

More of fancier houses, but broken homes.

These are days of quick trips,

disposable diapers,

throwaway morality,

one-night stands,

overweight bodies,

and pills that do everything from cheer,

to quiet,

to kill.

It is a time when there is much in the show window

and nothing in the stockroom.

Indeed it's all true.


I hope you will stop and think about it. Are we really that happy than people living poor in Laos.
Are we???????????
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Reply #51 - 31st Jan, 2010 at 9:15am
 
There are rich and poor people in every country.

When I say that "we are doing fine", most Laotians are doing fine. Many Laotians living in the countryside own land.
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Reply #52 - 31st Jan, 2010 at 8:33pm
 
Hi Admin

I agree with you on this point! Most Laos in the Country side is a lot happy than people in the city. They don't have to be stress like us people in the city. Rent or mortgage to be pay each month. Phone bill,electricity and water bill........ Traffic, parking. wearing mask to talk to each other each day. worry about what to wear,what to eat. to many choice making us confuse about what we want in life. We forgot what our root and where did we came from how get to be what we are.....

As I have mention on the other post before this one. It seem to be we have more than them. We have the freedom more than them. but looking deep inside...are we really have all that?
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Reply #53 - 1st Feb, 2010 at 12:13am
 
"doing fine" is a very subjective and open ended phrase.
I could be working in an office and have a house and able to support my family and be "doing fine'.
I could also be living in a mud hut with a rice field and fish pond to live off of and be "doing fine".

I think the real debate is whether people have choices or not. For a laos person living out in the country, I don't think they have many choices but to live off the land to survive. Their kids don't have much of a choice but to go to any school that's available there. Maybe they can move to the city if they wanted but what could they possible do?
In the west, the poor can become rich, and anyone can change their life, there are choices. I got a loan from the gov't to go to University, had no money and no parents, I still was able to go to a school that I wanted and now I'm "doing fine". What do you think happens to orphans in Laos?

For you guys that say Laos is doing fine, why don't you guys go live there then? If it's so fine, why aren't you moving there, what's stopping you all from going aside from the $300k price tag. i think "doing fine" only pertains to the 10% of the population who are the corrupt commies that can afford to drive $100k mercedes but can't afford to build/fix the roads to drive it on.

Maybe you guys are only speaking for yourselves about "doing fine", but these people don't seem to be "doing fine" or have a choice:

http://laos.wvasiapacific.org/documents/laos_fs_0708.pdf

The Facts
80% of the Lao population live in rural areas
At least 30% of the Lao population live below the national
poverty line
40% of children under five years of age are underweight
29% of the Lao population live below the minimum level of
dietary energy consumption

According to the UNICEF/Ministry of Labor and
Social Welfare (MoLSW) study conducted in 2004,
of those victims traffi cked into Thailand, 35% were
forced into prostitution, 32% into domestic labor,
17% into factory work, 12% into agricultural work,
and 4% worked on fi shing boats.
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Reply #54 - 1st Feb, 2010 at 3:27am
 
Buk Hoo Kee wrote on 1st Feb, 2010 at 12:13am:
"doing fine" is a very subjective and open ended phrase.
I could be working in an office and have a house and able to support my family and be "doing fine'.
I could also be living in a mud hut with a rice field and fish pond to live off of and be "doing fine".

I think the real debate is whether people have choices or not. For a laos person living out in the country, I don't think they have many choices but to live off the land to survive. Their kids don't have much of a choice but to go to any school that's available there. Maybe they can move to the city if they wanted but what could they possible do?
In the west, the poor can become rich, and anyone can change their life, there are choices. I got a loan from the gov't to go to University, had no money and no parents, I still was able to go to a school that I wanted and now I'm "doing fine". What do you think happens to orphans in Laos?

For you guys that say Laos is doing fine, why don't you guys go live there then? If it's so fine, why aren't you moving there, what's stopping you all from going aside from the $300k price tag. i think "doing fine" only pertains to the 10% of the population who are the corrupt commies that can afford to drive $100k mercedes but can't afford to build/fix the roads to drive it on.

Maybe you guys are only speaking for yourselves about "doing fine", but these people don't seem to be "doing fine" or have a choice:

http://laos.wvasiapacific.org/documents/laos_fs_0708.pdf

The Facts
80% of the Lao population live in rural areas
At least 30% of the Lao population live below the national
poverty line
40% of children under five years of age are underweight
29% of the Lao population live below the minimum level of
dietary energy consumption

According to the UNICEF/Ministry of Labor and
Social Welfare (MoLSW) study conducted in 2004,
of those victims traffi cked into Thailand, 35% were
forced into prostitution, 32% into domestic labor,
17% into factory work, 12% into agricultural work,
and 4% worked on fi shing boats.


You Data is too old to be make any judgment here. 2004. When I was there that wasn't many car and motorbike yet. They isn't must building build and the Highway 13 is not complete yet. The bridge(Loas -Thailand) in Savannakhet is not build yet. Seno, special Zone for business is still in the drawing board, The asean Game didn't not even in drawing board. 2009 is the year Laos finally have show the the world we try to get better like most of the world.  Many thing have change since you las visit mate.

Talking about prostitution is not only Laos problem Every where specially where you are now. you have to stop the people that paying for the service too. In USA is prosecute the people soliciting the prostitute as you aware of that already. 

Each country in this world all have their own problems. you can never stop prostitution as long there is a need It will be always with us...... don't tell me ,every real man will stop having sex and using the 5 fingers to do the job from now on.....

Let stop criticis the government and hope they will see it.  I don't think so... because if they do see it...This site will be block and being ask to shut down already.  The last time,I asking (yesterday)my friend in Laos checking this site is till online.....  but I am sure they is many local Laos is reading about this site now. the way we criticise the govenment they would agree with us but they also will think we are abandoned them and look down on them and thinking they are stupid. I just hope we can pointing to the problem what Laos has and hopefully They Young and future Laos see it and at least finding solution to those problem when they become the future leader.

I am going back to Laos(3 years) to retire and rest in peace. I will start some kind of business in Laos. right now I don't  know what I will do yet.
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Reply #55 - 1st Feb, 2010 at 2:01pm
 
Well put BHK!

In my CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, though it may sound negative, BUT IT IS THE FACT! It is a REALITY IN LAOS. I'm just telling the TRUTH about how things are! There are NO LIES! Sometimes the truth hurts!

Tee - I do HOPE that Laotian people and the Laotian government see these critiques and realize that WHERE LAOS IS CURRENTLY AT AND WHERE LAOS NEEDS TO, AND COULD BE!

I am NOT putting down the people! Though I live in the USA, and you in Australia, WE want to see our country, our people, live BETTER lives!
And for those that lack the education and intelligence, financial, infrastructures and facilities, IT IS THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE FOR ITS PEOPLE! My criticism is of the LACK OF GOVERNMENT initiatives and programs that will DIRECTLY benefit, enhance and improve the quality of life, in ALL aspects for ALL local people.

Where are the millions $$$ made from the dam projects, from Chinese and foreign "investments?" How about some of that coming back for various projects like roads, schools and education programs for kids, clean running water, local clinics and hospitals in rural areas?

The moral of the story is Laotians need to be afforded CHOICES and OPPORTUNITIES! It is TRUE Laos has made progress since the "change in government" but change and progress is SLOW in COMMUNIST and SOCIALIST structures!

And TEE - No..the west is NOT perfect. But America STRIVES to be FAIR, provide EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, offer CHOICES, to defend freedom and defend those who can't defend themselves..etc...etc...

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And speaking of the $300,000 investment the goverment ASKS of expats....Here's ADMIN's response as to why:

"Most Laotians from abroad live in properties that's over $300,000 so I guess that amount isn't alot to ask."

Ahhh, the Logic and Reasoning of an ignoramus and a simpleton! UNBELIEVABLE!

What do you think Buk Hoo Kee? How can you DEBATE with someone who is narrow-minded and DOES NOT SEE THE BIG PICTURE, that does NOT want to see an improvement in quality of life for the greater good?
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Reply #56 - 2nd Feb, 2010 at 12:59am
 
I don't want to argue with anyone and I think we have all been good in understanding each other and having a clean and adult like debate. I think all our intentions are good, we just have different views of what we "think" is "good". We all have different standards and I do realize that Laos is still a 3rd world country and their standards may not meet ours in the west. Living comfortably to us in the west means that we can make our own decisions. If we choose to live in the country and do farming and live off the land, we can choose that life. If we want to live in the city and work at a job, we can also choose that life here in the west. I can choose what I want to buy cause I got choices here. It is true that we have to pay for all these choices like having a cell phone along with the bills, having internet/cable along with the bills. Live in an expensive house, have high mortgage payments, live in a cheap place then have a low rent/mortgage payment each month. We can control these things cause we have the choice.

For the people in Laos that are deprived of these choices, they can only accept their fate that is handed to them. If you are born into a poor family that lives in the country, how do you change your fate? You don't even have access to good schools to educate yourself out of poverty, can't go work 2-3 jobs to save up more money cause there are no jobs, you may only have land to grow food to eat day to day and if there is a drought or flood like Ketsana, then what do you do, starve? Got no choice unless the outside world helps you which they have been doing so the Laos gov't just ignores the problem, those UN suckers will do it.

80% live in the country, that means 20% live in the city. So doing fine must only apply to the 20% livng in the city, if even that. When I was there in Laos, there was this family that lived in the house I was staying at and basically they were the live in housekeeprs or "mae bahn" who cooked and cleaned for everyone. They got paid $80 US/mth and that was considered "good". They were from the country and came to the city to find "work" and each month, they would send money home. The mother of this family cooked and cleaned while looking after her kids, the father couldn't find work, just odd jobs. To me, this is not "doing fine", this is "surviving". Lots of the kids can't afford to go to school, that's why I see them running around during the day all the time.

I knew of another guy that had to pond his $300 US car so his wife could get medical treatment at the hospital or she would die. All of the people I know there go to Thailand for anything medical related, and this is in the city, I wonder how bad it must be in the country.

A monk told me something very wise a while ago. He said for someone like me to go live there it would be okay since I have knowledge, english and choices, not to mention some money. For someone that was raised there, they don't have that advantage and thus have no choices but to struggle to make ends meet. We have the tools, they don't. Have you ever tried to do something but realized you don't have the right tools to do it? It's the same thing here, I don't blame them for not having the tools, that choice was never given to them.

On another note, I know of a family of 3 who went back to Laos. They lived in Canada for a few years and decided to go back. They used to rent an apartment and work at labour jobs here in Canada. Now they make $350 US/mth and have a house in Laos and live comfortably cause he has knowledge of road construction that he used to do in Canada, not to mention the english skills necessary to understand the paperwork. Can some average Laos person born there be able to make $350 doing the same thing? Would they be given the same choice/opportunity? I bet not, that's why the chinese have to come in and build the Sea games stadium and other infrastructures. Give the Laos people the choices/opportunity, control their own destiny.
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Reply #57 - 2nd Feb, 2010 at 1:09am
 
Wise words...after all these dicusstion, Laos need education not new goverment. I have said on other post..to make Laos a better place is to Change the whole Education system and the new goverment will be channge by it self. I hope you agree with me!
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Reply #58 - 2nd Feb, 2010 at 9:28am
 
Last of all,

I like you guys comments ( BLBG, BHK )
I also like your poems,Tee.But one thing I disagree with you " Let stop criticize the Govt" My words would had said " F- the Laos Fake-ass Communist" ( Corruptors,one party rules Communist party only)

Let me fix some of your poems:

"we have a big house and smaller families"
Have a big house is better than a little sack hut with huge families
"more knowledge but less judgment"
Have more knowledge is always better than less or lack of knowledge, but less judgment is also better than been judged by the Communist Laws(guity before prove) there are many innocent ppl are been lock up behind bars in Laos without trial.

You have the right and entitled to disagree with my opinions so to all commentors.












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Reply #59 - 2nd Feb, 2010 at 11:33am
 
It's truth if you want to put it that way! but hang on... I think American is do the same to Prisoner in Guantanamo Bay for many year been lock up behind bars without trial. they are exactly like the political prisoner in Laos.
What I mean is that when come to the political control.All political system  they will do the same.  every which way they can to hold on to the power mate! We are not living in the perfect world. Every good have it own evil side! How we going to know the good is not evil and how we going to know the evil is not good!
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